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Wallace
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Barack Around the Clock

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power220
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Originally posted by Mayor_Wrights

According to the Census Bureau there are "impoverished" people living in homes:

-with over 10 bedrooms
-over 4,000 square feet
-over 10 acres of land
-on golf courses and private beaches.
-those in poverty as a whole average less than a person per room
-there are more "impoverished" households reporting over 1,000 square feet per person than there are reporting less than 400 square feet per person.
-a significant percentage of "impoverished" homes are rated a perfect 10 on both housing and neighborhood quality scales which rate all homes, rich and poor.
-home owners with bachelor's degrees and higher
-people who chose their current home because of the view
-the majority of them report their current home being better than their last
-people who have over 3 cars (it might be cheaper just to get a mercedes, but then who knows, they might have 3 mercedes)

In short, uh, yeah.

People should do all that they can before they come asking for me to do what I can. That's the bottom line.

The majority of people in poverty have either satellite or cable subscriptions. So then let me ask you.. if we give a welfare recipient $50, and that same month he spends $50 on a satellite tv bill, then did we just buy him food or HBO?

first of all, you cite a source 600 pages long and expect us to dissect it? it's almost as if you get your talking points from a think tank.

also, you cite anecdotal stories as if they're the norm. dude, you gotta wake up and smell the humanity. i went and visited a seriously impoverished area recently. let me assure you, there were no ten room houses, unless you count a series of shanties with tarp as "rooms." there were no flat screens, except for the flat screens keeping the bugs out. the views sucked, the cars were old; the nicest one i saw was a kia. and these people were extremely thankful for the hand-me-downs and donations that were being given.

but here's what really gets me, because honestly, i don't personally care what you or anyone in your party wants to do about poverty:

how the hell can you, and those like you, even dare to stand on a pedestal and call yourselves morally superior when you are the ones not practicing your own gospels?

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Mayor_Wrights
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Originally posted by rdaumal
First, if you're going to use "Understanding Poverty in America" by Robert E. Rector and Kirk A. Johnson, Ph.D., a 19-page opinion piece by the Heritage Foundation for your assertions, why link to "American Housing Survey for the United States: 2005," a 616-page U.S. Census Department pdf document? Rector and Johnson have 35 citations for their spin on the matter.

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first of all, you cite a source 600 pages long and expect us to dissect it? it's almost as if you get your talking points from a think tank.

I have no idea what either of you are talking about. I have never seen anything by Robert E. Rector or Kirk A. Johnson. I spent 30 to 40 minutes going through that 600 page document myself to collect those facts.

Name any of those facts I posted and I'll tell you what page it's on.

When liberals can no longer attack the message, they attack the messenger. Don't be lazy, do your research. I can, why can't you?

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power220
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Originally posted by Mayor_Wrights
I have no idea what either of you are talking about. I have never seen anything by Robert E. Rector or Kirk A. Johnson. I spent 30 to 40 minutes going through that 600 page document myself to collect those facts.

Name any of those facts I posted and I'll tell you what page it's on.

When liberals can no longer attack the message, they attack the messenger. Don't be lazy, do your research. I can, why can't you?

i don't need forty minutes to research the message. your opinions are so clearly wrong that i need forty seconds to clickety-clack my response.

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sy0ne
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poverty shmoverty

use your eyes

look around

it's obvious

quantify

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Mayor_Wrights
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Originally posted by rdaumal
A family who has been middle class or working poor and who only recently qualify as poor due to change income status would be expected to appear fairly materially well-off.

Exactly, and they should first sell their material worth before they come looking for a handout. And while they're getting handouts, they shouldn't be able to afford non-essential worth, like subscriptions to satellite or cable tv.

You never answered my question. If a welfare recipient gets a $50 check and that same month happens to pay $50 dollars on a satellite tv bill, then did we just buy that guy some food or HBO?

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Mayor_Wrights
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Originally posted by power220
i don't need forty minutes to research the message. your opinions are so clearly wrong that i need forty seconds to clickety-clack my response.

read the facts, you're wrong.

"i don't need to research" classic liberal line, too bad sigs are off.

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sy0ne
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the fed reserve is owned by bankers.

and u discuss qualifying crumbs to the unfortunate.

coming home

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Mayor_Wrights
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Originally posted by sy0ne
qualifying crumbs to the unfortunate.

only some of them are unfortunate.

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sy0ne
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there are enuff crumbs for everyone.

all neocons are unfortunate.

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Mayor_Wrights
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Originally posted by sy0ne
there are enuff crumbs for everyone.

Why don't you give me your money sy? Afterall, "there are enuff crumbs for everyone."

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rdaumal
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quote:
Originally posted by Mayor_Wrights
I have no idea what either of you are talking about. I have never seen anything by Robert E. Rector or Kirk A. Johnson. I spent 30 to 40 minutes going through that 600 page document myself to collect those facts.

Name any of those facts I posted and I'll tell you what page it's on.

When liberals can no longer attack the message, they attack the messenger. Don't be lazy, do your research. I can, why can't you?

You first told me to look at a report that Llowyn posted that turned out to have absolutely nothing to do with the claims you were making. You then presented claims that were easily traceable to a Heritage Foundation paper... idea for idea, in and some cases word for word. A report that required several sources itself to produce. Yet you claimed to have used only a US Census Bureau document and "extrapolation."

It's fair to comment on the messenger when there's a credibility issue.

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rdaumal
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Originally posted by Mayor_Wrights
Exactly, and they should first sell their material worth before they come looking for a handout. And while they're getting handouts, they shouldn't be able to afford non-essential worth, like subscriptions to satellite or cable tv.

You never answered my question. If a welfare recipient gets a $50 check and that same month happens to pay $50 dollars on a satellite tv bill, then did we just buy that guy some food or HBO?

You can't even say if the so-called "welfare queens" you are portraying are on welfare.

You don't even know how many of those noted as "poor" are encountering acute or episodic poverty despite a history of gainful employment.

Yet you advocate a policy that would clearly be wealth destruction -- counter to even the Republican intention of raising homeownership rates (tranlated: wealth) among minorities and the poor.

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Unco David
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Originally posted by Mayor_Wrights
Exactly, and they should first sell their material worth before they come looking for a handout. And while they're getting handouts, they shouldn't be able to afford non-essential worth, like subscriptions to satellite or cable tv.

You never answered my question. If a welfare recipient gets a $50 check and that same month happens to pay $50 dollars on a satellite tv bill, then did we just buy that guy some food or HBO?

Is this typical Mormon empathy for people who find themselves in a tough spot? When the wolf visits the lives of people .... this is just some sneaky misdirection or an illusion? As has been stated, there are people who do cheat the system, but this does not nullify those who are truly in need of a leg up. I certainly know more than a few who fall into this category ... and none of them living with any luxuries. Most yearn to get back in the saddle, if they are physically and mentally capable.

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Gent
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quote:
Originally posted by Mayor_Wrights
Exactly, and they should first sell their material worth before they come looking for a handout. And while they're getting handouts, they shouldn't be able to afford non-essential worth, like subscriptions to satellite or cable tv.

You never answered my question. If a welfare recipient gets a $50 check and that same month happens to pay $50 dollars on a satellite tv bill, then did we just buy that guy some food or HBO?

I'd say we bought him some HBO. Don't seem right..

However, there are many who don't have HBO and need $50.00 for food.
How do we differentiate and get the help to those who need help?
You are talking about the cheats and we are talking about those who need help.

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