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pua
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 Statehood Day Celebration, Iolani Palace

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story...3f-b470cf0ffd93

Kalani Band, Yamaguchi to Highlight Statehood Celebration This Friday, August 18

Organizers of Hawaii's 47th Statehood Day Celebration have announced that the celebrated Kalani High School Marching Band, and patriotic soloist, Tom Yamaguchi, will highlight the musical entertainment at this Friday's event, August 18, 10-11 am, at Iolani Palace.

The event recognizes Hawaii's entrance into the United States as a state, August 21, 1959.

Small Business Hawaii (SBH) and its president, State Senator Sam Slom have stepped forward to organize a celebration of Hawaii's statehood after years of non-celebration.

The event is free and open to the public; it will also honor America's men and women in the armed forces. The event is being planned as a joyful recognition of being part of America, and honoring our American troops.

Other entertainers are welcome. Those wishing to attend are encouraged to wear red, white and blue, bring an American Flag, their family and friends, and enjoy the benefits of freedom.

For details, contact SBH at 808 - 396-1724, or Sam Slom, the president of Small Business Hawaii, at 808 - 349-5438.

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hoomalimali
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I'm proud to be American.

That said, I'm baffled why Slom and SBH would choose to stage this celebration at 'Iolani Palace. I do believe it is one of the very few (only?) places where the Hawaiian flag can be flown on its own, without the U.S. flag.

It's hard to forget the words and images of that long-ago day when the Hawaiian flag was retired and replaced on another occasion.

Too bad they didn't consider conducting this at the State Capitol. Still central for the Downtown crowd, and a more sensitive choice. There's plenty of space.

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Isle Republican
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I suppose the extremists will be there.

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hoomalimali
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I suppose the extremists will be there.


And maybe that's one of the goals? I really, really don't get the location choice. Someone was either asleep at the switch or the alternative. It would be interesting to see whether they'd change the location. You'd think if "permitting" was an issue, it wouldn't be any harder to get one for the Capitol than the Palace ... but that's only a guess on my part.

Sad thing is according to Slom's story at Hawaii Reporter (the poster omitted Slom's by-line), part of the idea is to honor the troops.

There are some really poignant pictures of that day I mentioned, think they are in Kristen Zambucka's book about Princess Kaiulani. Words as well. Maybe our link pros can help, or if I'm able to find anything, I'll post.

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Master Chief
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I'm proud to be American.

That said, I'm baffled why Slom and SBH would choose to stage this celebration at 'Iolani Palace. I do believe it is one of the very few (only?) places where the Hawaiian flag can be flown on its own, without the U.S. flag.

It's hard to forget the words and images of that long-ago day when the Hawaiian flag was retired and replaced on another occasion.

Too bad they didn't consider conducting this at the State Capitol. Still central for the Downtown crowd, and a more sensitive choice. There's plenty of space.



Under who's authority did this "non flag flying" occur?

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Under who's authority did this "non flag flying" occur?


Probably aKAKA's.

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Too bad they didn't consider conducting this at the State Capitol. Still central for the Downtown crowd, and a more sensitive choice. There's plenty of space. [/B]


Great idea.

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Under who's authority did this "non flag flying" occur?


It is longstanding. Unfortunately, I was not able to find a citation on the palace's website or in several other locations.

However, I hit pay dirt on the Star-Bulletin site, turning up several stories in the wake of 9/11 and the flying of the U.S. flag at the palace for a 30-day period.

The story I link here: http://starbulletin.com/2001/11/15/news/story2.html

and from which I include an excerpt, is pretty comprehensive. History buffs may find the latter part of the story -- with mention of the Queen's flag-flying during WWI -- of interest. I've not included it here because of length.

quote:
Alice Guild, executive director of the Friends of Iolani Palace, has apologized for raising the American flag over the palace for a month in honor of the Sept. 11 attack victims.
"I am so, so sorry for the pain that has been caused," she wrote in a Nov. 8 open letter to the "Board, Staff, Volunteers of Iolani Palace and to those who were affected by the raising of the American flag at the palace on September 28th."

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Her letter, however, has angered others who believe no apologies are ever warranted for flying Old Glory, especially on what is now a state building.

"To me it's just not right," said Gene Wallace, a docent at Iolani Palace. "To me it just boils down to one simple thing: You don't apologize for raising the American flag."

Guild blamed her ignorance of Hawaiian history for the Sept. 27 board decision that approved displaying the U.S. flag above the palace for 30 days, alongside the Hawaiian flag. Usually, the Hawaiian flag is flown alone at the palace as part of an effort to restore the grounds to the late Hawaiian monarchy period.

Guild, who could not be reached for comment yesterday, wrote that she received numerous e-mails from the native Hawaiian community after the U.S. flag was raised. Their objections stemmed from the betrayal and hurt that came the first time the U.S. flag flew over Iolani Palace on Aug. 12, 1898, when Hawaii was annexed by the United States.

A century later, during the annexation's centennial observance, thousands of people gathered at the palace to witness an emotional and symbolic lowering of the American flag and the raising of the Hawaiian flag.

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I'm proud to be American.

That said, I'm baffled why Slom and SBH would choose to stage this celebration at 'Iolani Palace. I do believe it is one of the very few (only?) places where the Hawaiian flag can be flown on its own, without the U.S. flag.

It's hard to forget the words and images of that long-ago day when the Hawaiian flag was retired and replaced on another occasion.

Too bad they didn't consider conducting this at the State Capitol. Still central for the Downtown crowd, and a more sensitive choice. There's plenty of space.


How soon we forget our history!

'Iolani Palace was the Capitol of the Territory of Hawai'i, and of the State of Hawai'i until the new state capitol building was completed in 1968. This building is the place where both Annexation and Statehood ceremonies took place, in 1898 and 1959. It is exactly the right place for a celebration of Statehood Day. The U.S. flag flew proudly atop this building every day continuously for 70 years (1898 to 1968), and should fly there again.

After the new state capitol building was completed, 'Iolani Palace was gradually restored to become a period-piece museum showing the lavish lifestyle of the Kalakaua/Lili'uokalani dynasty, where royalty spent megabucks to look like Europeans while poor Hawaiians were dying of disease and starvation.

Sovereignty independence activists have seized control of 'Iolani Museum and made it into their imaginary capitol of their imaginary still-living Kingdom of Hawai'i. They use it for sovereignty rallies, and as a propaganda factory to brainwash thousands of tourists and locals with their view of Hawaiian history. When questioned about the policy of Hawaiian flag only, museum officials said that's done to preserve the authenticity of the period-piece museum. But the sovereignty activists have abused that custom to claim that only the Hawaiian flag can fly there. Nonsense!

In 2001, after 9-11, the Friends of Iolani Palace did fly the U.S. flag atop the building for one month, which caused howls of protest from the sovereignty activists. See:

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaii...iotpost911.html

and for more info

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/hawaii...istandcurr.html

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After the new state capitol building was completed, 'Iolani Palace was gradually restored to become a period-piece museum showing the lavish lifestyle of the Kalakaua/Lili'uokalani dynasty, where royalty spent megabucks to look like Europeans while poor Hawaiians were dying of disease and starvation.


Disease and starvation which was relatively unknown prior to the arrival of westerners. What was the point of this paragraph? Did royalty cause all the problems of kanaka maoli?

Anyway, howzit Dr. Pua! Where you been hiding? I kinda miss your vitriol about Hawaiians. I see you posted more of your blogs. Visition kinda slow I take it? BTW good points about the U.S. flag. I'm sure many agree with you.

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I suppose the extremists will be there.


Can't make it. I'm having lunch at Akaka's.

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How soon we forget our history!

....... [/B]


I certainly didn't forget what happened to the palace during Hawaii's territorial era. But let's not stray down the path of the abysmal way this historic building and its contents were treated. (And if you're looking purely at dollar signs, look at all the money that slipped through the government's fingers with the way the artifacts were dispensed with. Not the most fiscally prudent of decisions.)

My point is that the annexation ceremonies being conducted at the palace in 1898 smacked of the victors enjoying their spoils.

Conducting a statehood celebration is appropriate. But it is appropriate at the CURRENT state seat, not the palace. As you note, the palace has not served that role for almost 40 years.

If you're tied in at all to the decision on the location, <insert> based on your posts here </insert> then I must conclude the choice was not an oversight but a goad.

self-edited for clarity as indicated

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It's absolutely an "in your face" plan.

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I certainly didn't forget what happened to the palace during Hawaii's territorial era. But let's not stray down the path of the abysmal way this historic building and its contents were treated. (And if you're looking purely at dollar signs, look at all the money that slipped through the government's fingers with the way the artifacts were dispensed with. Not the most fiscally prudent of decisions.)

My point is that the annexation ceremonies being conducted at the palace in 1898 smacked of the victors enjoying their spoils.

Conducting a statehood celebration is appropriate. But it is appropriate at the CURRENT state seat, not the palace. As you note, the palace has not served that role for almost 40 years.

If you're tied in at all to the decision on the location, then I must conclude the choice was not an oversight but a goad.


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I am on the side of not having to apologize for the raising of the American flag over the palace. The American flag should not have to have an apology made to raise it anywhere IMHO.

However, if this is offensive to the Hawaiians working on sovereignty, I personally am sorry that they are offended.

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